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		<title>By: David Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you're dealing with something you're not totally comfortable with and don't really grasp at a fundamental and visceral level, it's easy to say something as stupid as, "shoes are the best thing ever invented for terrorists".&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you're dealing with something you're not totally comfortable with and don't really grasp at a fundamental and visceral level, it's easy to say something as stupid as, "shoes are the best thing ever invented for terrorists".</p>
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		<title>By: culvere@acm.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>culvere@acm.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've relatively little respect for McAfee's products in any case: on the Windows XP-pro machine I use at home, McAfee's 'anti-virus' software had some fairly severe bugs, which made it difficult to send email or surf the web. It's general performance was so horrid that I had to remove all traces of McAfee, which took far too long.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are also reports of quite serious bugs in some commercial products, as in big-iron O/S: VM was reported (check comp.risks) to have a serious security related flaw; VM and MVS had a utility program (the name of which I don't recall) which bypassed all system security. Potential buffer overflows are pandemic in C code.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dave Marcus of McAfee has a vested interest in both bashing Linux (and FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD): his company's market is basically Windows machines (especially those where IE is the primary web browser and Outlook the primary email application). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In response to pcomitz@gmail.com:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Yes, some of the relative invulnerability of Linux and *BSD to malware is relatively low penetration in the marketplace. Quite a bit is due to Windows' flawed security model, where normal desktop use requires write access to some fairly critical system files, such as the registry (this is were most apps keep information such as the last few files opened, default folders, etc), and installing any kind of software requires write access to the equivalent of /usr/bin. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've relatively little respect for McAfee's products in any case: on the Windows XP-pro machine I use at home, McAfee's 'anti-virus' software had some fairly severe bugs, which made it difficult to send email or surf the web. It's general performance was so horrid that I had to remove all traces of McAfee, which took far too long.</p>
<p>There are also reports of quite serious bugs in some commercial products, as in big-iron O/S: VM was reported (check comp.risks) to have a serious security related flaw; VM and MVS had a utility program (the name of which I don't recall) which bypassed all system security. Potential buffer overflows are pandemic in C code.</p>
<p>Dave Marcus of McAfee has a vested interest in both bashing Linux (and FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD): his company's market is basically Windows machines (especially those where IE is the primary web browser and Outlook the primary email application). </p>
<p>In response to <a href="mailto:pcomitz@gmail.com">pcomitz@gmail.com</a>:</p>
<p> Yes, some of the relative invulnerability of Linux and *BSD to malware is relatively low penetration in the marketplace. Quite a bit is due to Windows' flawed security model, where normal desktop use requires write access to some fairly critical system files, such as the registry (this is were most apps keep information such as the last few files opened, default folders, etc), and installing any kind of software requires write access to the equivalent of /usr/bin. </p>
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		<title>By: maxim.osipov@gmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxim.osipov@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you know it is not true :) And anyone who had a chance to work with commersial software development knows. Sometime big commersial products are influenced by tight schedules, situation-driven decisions, resulting in overcomplicated and ugly implementations. Nobody understands how it works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Major open source products are deferent - it is a joy for software engineer to work with it because of consistent design. You really need just source code to understand how it works! People try hard to have pleasure working with it and they succeed :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bugs and malware - it just comes unnoticed for commercial products, for years probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know it is not true :) And anyone who had a chance to work with commersial software development knows. Sometime big commersial products are influenced by tight schedules, situation-driven decisions, resulting in overcomplicated and ugly implementations. Nobody understands how it works.</p>
<p>Major open source products are deferent - it is a joy for software engineer to work with it because of consistent design. You really need just source code to understand how it works! People try hard to have pleasure working with it and they succeed :)</p>
<p>Bugs and malware - it just comes unnoticed for commercial products, for years probably.</p>
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		<title>By: LCMesquita3206@hotmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>LCMesquita3206@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no denying the fact that a lot of Malware is distibuted to unsuspecting Internet Users when they download Free Software, supposedly doing some usefull task. When one purchases software on a CD, there is less chance of a virus infection, as the company producing the CD has the financial wherewithal to hire enough technical hands to ensure quality. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no denying the fact that a lot of Malware is distibuted to unsuspecting Internet Users when they download Free Software, supposedly doing some usefull task. When one purchases software on a CD, there is less chance of a virus infection, as the company producing the CD has the financial wherewithal to hire enough technical hands to ensure quality.</p>
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		<title>By: tigsantoz@hotmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigsantoz@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no one belives that open source is related to malware, and that is for shure, but the "big boys" keep using open-source resources, to develop "priced software". I work 6 month in a software company, and one of the first thing's i notice is that most of the code is based in open-source, also most of the technology aplied is based on open-source. Anyway they charge a lot for the software they "produce". they say it took moth to develop, as i saw it took just a few days. and by the way all the software that company develop's is compiled with GNU GCC, and other open-source compilers. Funny this...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Open-source giant's are a bit scared of, but they will have to fear more as the time passes by and open-source becomes more easy to use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Open source has nothing to do with malware, but priced software "mostly has". If the big boys tell the truth "they software has bugs" malware programers woldn't have a point to prove by making malware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no one belives that open source is related to malware, and that is for shure, but the "big boys" keep using open-source resources, to develop "priced software". I work 6 month in a software company, and one of the first thing's i notice is that most of the code is based in open-source, also most of the technology aplied is based on open-source. Anyway they charge a lot for the software they "produce". they say it took moth to develop, as i saw it took just a few days. and by the way all the software that company develop's is compiled with GNU GCC, and other open-source compilers. Funny this...</p>
<p>Open-source giant's are a bit scared of, but they will have to fear more as the time passes by and open-source becomes more easy to use.</p>
<p>Open source has nothing to do with malware, but priced software "mostly has". If the big boys tell the truth "they software has bugs" malware programers woldn't have a point to prove by making malware.</p>
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		<title>By: al_gun@ncable.net.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>al_gun@ncable.net.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still so pissed off with this comment from McAffee's Dave Marcus, that the open source is the source of malware... If I may say what the f***. Instead he sould give some credit those open source programmers they've done and doing great job for the big boys software and their profit.&lt;br /&gt;( Little sarcasm here )&lt;br /&gt;I am not saying that they are stealing our open source and using their ridiculously priced software - by the way they (their software) never work the way they promote.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't believe if ever they say they don't use open source snippets in their software development. So that mean, they are creating malware to be able to sell their software to cure those malware created/developed with using open source...&lt;br /&gt;(Catch 22 eh!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Plus when the time come to beta test their software, why they turn to the open source programmers (mainly) and ask their help to test these software.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish I had a chance to talk face to face those who believe open source is a source for malicious software (malware)&lt;br /&gt;Curse on you who believes that...&lt;br /&gt;Angry again&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;but then again&lt;br /&gt;Happy coding&lt;br /&gt;Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still so pissed off with this comment from McAffee's Dave Marcus, that the open source is the source of malware... If I may say what the f***. Instead he sould give some credit those open source programmers they've done and doing great job for the big boys software and their profit.<br />( Little sarcasm here )<br />I am not saying that they are stealing our open source and using their ridiculously priced software - by the way they (their software) never work the way they promote.</p>
<p>I don't believe if ever they say they don't use open source snippets in their software development. So that mean, they are creating malware to be able to sell their software to cure those malware created/developed with using open source...<br />(Catch 22 eh!)</p>
<p>Plus when the time come to beta test their software, why they turn to the open source programmers (mainly) and ask their help to test these software.</p>
<p>I wish I had a chance to talk face to face those who believe open source is a source for malicious software (malware)<br />Curse on you who believes that...<br />Angry again</p>
<p>but then again<br />Happy coding<br />Al</p>
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		<title>By: al_gun@ncable.net.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>al_gun@ncable.net.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bullshit is this, I cannot believe someone told everyone that open source causes problem and butters malware authors bread... Well, let me think??? Is this really about malware authors or the big boys loosing some percent of the software market because of open source. I am an open source author. I've written few for comrade programmers, I never think for one second to charge anyone because my open source snippets helped them to create alternative software for the big boys. It's like McDonalds blaming small kebab business (this happened in Sydney - Australia) and telling everyone kebabs are no good for people????&lt;br /&gt;Long live open source...&lt;br /&gt;Happy coding&lt;br /&gt;Al - Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bullshit is this, I cannot believe someone told everyone that open source causes problem and butters malware authors bread... Well, let me think??? Is this really about malware authors or the big boys loosing some percent of the software market because of open source. I am an open source author. I've written few for comrade programmers, I never think for one second to charge anyone because my open source snippets helped them to create alternative software for the big boys. It's like McDonalds blaming small kebab business (this happened in Sydney - Australia) and telling everyone kebabs are no good for people????<br />Long live open source...<br />Happy coding<br />Al - Australia</p>
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		<title>By: joe@pixolut.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe@pixolut.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flawed logic was the origin of these misquotes from Dave... And the original comparison was flawed too... Here's the thing; Open Source is driven by a fundamental premise of collaboration - the sum of the parts is greater than that of the whole. Whilst this noble premise is a premise of Open Source it is not EXCLUSIVE to open source and further to that; Open Source is not purely defined by this premise either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason root kits, virus technology and malware proliferate is that the subculture of developers collaborate. The method of collaboration is funamentally DIFFERENT to open source - as a lot of the collaboration is done using ADA! (Disassembler)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the same - there exists for malware a community which shares ideas, supports each other and examines each other's work. This community-centric focus is what propels ALL HUMAN INVENTIVENESS - not just the Open Source community. Look at painters of the renaissance, or jazz musicians of the 50's. They form a community and have a collaborative process for development and ingenuity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its also important to look at the flipside - what makes Open Source is not just collaboration - its also a specific organizational structure, a peer reviewed development process and most importantly a specific licensing structure (of which there are many dialects - but the premise is the same).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, yeah - flawed logic does annoy me. People need to spend some time looking at the deeper truth instead of going for buzzwords to make a headline. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flawed logic was the origin of these misquotes from Dave... And the original comparison was flawed too... Here's the thing; Open Source is driven by a fundamental premise of collaboration - the sum of the parts is greater than that of the whole. Whilst this noble premise is a premise of Open Source it is not EXCLUSIVE to open source and further to that; Open Source is not purely defined by this premise either.</p>
<p>The reason root kits, virus technology and malware proliferate is that the subculture of developers collaborate. The method of collaboration is funamentally DIFFERENT to open source - as a lot of the collaboration is done using ADA! (Disassembler)</p>
<p>All the same - there exists for malware a community which shares ideas, supports each other and examines each other's work. This community-centric focus is what propels ALL HUMAN INVENTIVENESS - not just the Open Source community. Look at painters of the renaissance, or jazz musicians of the 50's. They form a community and have a collaborative process for development and ingenuity.</p>
<p>Its also important to look at the flipside - what makes Open Source is not just collaboration - its also a specific organizational structure, a peer reviewed development process and most importantly a specific licensing structure (of which there are many dialects - but the premise is the same).</p>
<p>So, yeah - flawed logic does annoy me. People need to spend some time looking at the deeper truth instead of going for buzzwords to make a headline. </p>
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		<title>By: tigsantoz@hotmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigsantoz@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first start to read this head-line, I was a bit upset. But reading all the article, made me think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Open-source is not the origin of malware or virus, or any other, look-a-like stuff. Malware developers are mostly kid's that read something on the internet and figured out how to to write a vrius, or something like that. I do develop software under GNU GPL, but I dont develop malware. The internet was maded to share ideias not to make virus, for me the triky part on this is that "malware creators" evaluate the efect of their "software" my the impact it causes on the media. Giving malware to much "impact" on the news gives motive for other malware developer's to develop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my humble opinion open-source has nothing to do with malware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first start to read this head-line, I was a bit upset. But reading all the article, made me think.</p>
<p>Open-source is not the origin of malware or virus, or any other, look-a-like stuff. Malware developers are mostly kid's that read something on the internet and figured out how to to write a vrius, or something like that. I do develop software under GNU GPL, but I dont develop malware. The internet was maded to share ideias not to make virus, for me the triky part on this is that "malware creators" evaluate the efect of their "software" my the impact it causes on the media. Giving malware to much "impact" on the news gives motive for other malware developer's to develop.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion open-source has nothing to do with malware.</p>
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		<title>By: rblauter@cs.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>rblauter@cs.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reporters are mindless, whether reporting for technical stuff or political stuff. Their job, and their editor's job, is to produce copy and controversy. Truth, well reasoned ideas, and integrity are not part of the job description. Malware authors are much worse. They pride themselves on doing the tough work of making the thing they are vandalizing more robust. They are actually pathalogically anti-social morons, trying to boost their own rotten self respect. Too bad both types of personalities persist. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reporters are mindless, whether reporting for technical stuff or political stuff. Their job, and their editor's job, is to produce copy and controversy. Truth, well reasoned ideas, and integrity are not part of the job description. Malware authors are much worse. They pride themselves on doing the tough work of making the thing they are vandalizing more robust. They are actually pathalogically anti-social morons, trying to boost their own rotten self respect. Too bad both types of personalities persist.</p>
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